Estimados Pyscologistas,

Gee, I thought after being taking off anti-depressants by a VA doctor abruptly
after 40+ years, and going through the worst depression and the highest(drug-
free) elations in the last couple of months, and having my civilian doctor tell
me
that I was finally feeling things again and it was good. I agreed that yes, I
was
laughing out loud at stuff, crying at any tender or touching moments from
seeing other people or stuff on tv, and also having some really suicidal type
depressions, but that I think in the long run it was beneficial, since my
creativity
is returning a little, and I am feeling things much more intensely, as if I've
been
a zombie and unresponsive to my inner feelings for a long time. Of course I got
to work every day on time, was verrrry regular in all my affairs and dealings,
and never got excited about anything.  I do think my abrupt retirement was a
result of the sudden withdrawal(which a professional said on Larry King about
bipolar and depression, was a real no no, caused suicides, etc.). I really
should
have stayed working for at least another 6 months to clear up some debt. The
fact that I feel more intensely now is a sign of a feminine trait, but I've
always
gotten along with women probably more easily than men, although I've never
felt queer about it, and Jed, when I said "put our queer shoulders to the wheel"
I was directly quoting Ginzberg, not outing myself. As far as the lady goes, she
was married before to a good friend, and I was offered her hand and her kids
by him when he was bailing out because he wanted to drink and carrouse, and
she was a drag on him. I didn't respond since I was too young(22) at the time,
and she also had a child with cerebral palsy, and I wasn't ready for the
responsibility. Shortly thereafter she met and married some regular guy at
work(she had to work since her husband dumped her), and we remained
friends, but I never told her my secret love for her, although I'm sure she
could
sense it. Years later, my sister had asked her, "why didn't you marry Ricardo
when xxx left you?" Her reply: "He never asked me."
Well, around that time or shortly thereafter I went to Mexico, met my wife, and
lived 33 1/3 years with her before she decided she preferred Mexicanos. I'm
quite content now living alone, since I've never done so before, although I
notice I've become more selfish and reclusive. The ex lives a block away, after
being dumped by her querido, one of the kids live down the street, other kids
are on the island, and eight grandkids make it hard to get any work done since
I recently retired.  I get along with her for the kids' sake, but she has her
life,
and I have mine. I met the girl, a blonde when I was about 8 or 9 and she was
7 or 8, when we moved to her street in El Nido, four blocks of houses
surrounded by strawberry, lilly, and bean fields, in what now is the south end
of
the South Bay Galleria in Redondo Beach. It was a wonderful childhood in the
country, and my "work" is to complete a book about it before dying of old age. I
have photos too, that help me to remember events and people who lived there.
She was alway happy, friendly, beautiful, and optimistic, and I still love her,
but
as you mentioned maybe in a spiritual way since I'm sure she's still married.
Who knows? Maybe I should call her. Thanks for the free analysis. I promise
not to ask again, since I live on a limited income now. I'm realizing that this
forum is quite public and I'm overdoing it with all this personal stuff. My plan
is
to stop contributing to anything on the net since it's easier than working, and
takes up the same amount of time. Again, thanks for the insight. I'll try to
dream
of her again tonight. Ricardo
p.s.  Jed, I have an old book on hypnotherapy. Do you want it? I've been
meaning for years to send it to you, but keep forgetting.

http://www.mayalords.org/aztecfldr/SunStone.pdf

Listeros! you may find this of interest, a visual guide to the elements
of the Aztec calendar stone... Saludos, Jed

--- En mexicocitycollege@..., Patrick Gallagher
<tasaniya@j...> escribió:
> Thanks for your post, Jed. Your enclave sounds peaceful too. Maybe
you can
> send or post pictures sometime, especially of the garden. My
> father-in-law who
> was a professor of forestry at a university here and who lives in
> another house
> in the compound
> with us, loves plants and has a lot of them. My contribution has
been to
> plant a
> lot of papaya and banana plants. We also have 6-7 mango trees. I am
> trying to
> become self-sufficent with bananas, but I have a ways to go on that
even
> though
> at least count I had around 90 banana plants. By the way, most
Thais eat a
> banana named 'nam wa' which is about half the size of the bananas
we eat in
> the states (which are called 'sweet smelling' bananas here). The
nam wa is
> supposed to be very nutritious and mothers with babies smash these
bananas
> into a paste and feed them to their babies. I eat several of them
> everyday. By the
> way there are about 40 different kinds of bananas here, but only
about 4
> or 5
> are commonly eaten. I have one black banana plant (the bananas are
black)
> that a neighbor gave me, but the rest are nam way bananas.
>
> I am familiar with the Mexico Quarterly Review and had a poem
published
> in it
> around 1970. I think it was being published by the U of A then. If
I
> recall correctly my creative writing teachers, Robbins and Taylor
were
> the editors then. Unfortunately because of the house remodelling we
are
> undergoing at the moment I am unable to
> check this out. Maguey, unfortunately, rings no bells. But it
sounds
> like you had an
> interesting journalism career there for awhile. Did you continue
with
> this after 1973?
>
> One of my students at the U of A was the sister of Tom Straithorse
(I am
> not sure if I am spelling this right) who was a correspondent for
NBC, I
> think, it was, and lived in this fabulous apartment near the Lomas
where
> I was invited to dinner one night. (Tom was on assignment, so I
didn't
> get a chance to meet him.) I really envied what little I could see
of
> his life-style though. He had a beautiful Brazilian wife and a very
> bright little boy too.
>
> It sounds like you have a lot more experience with dreams than I
do,
> Jed. When I was studying clinical psych I wanted to do a content
> analysis of my dreams (ala Calvin Hill) for my thesis, but this was
shot
> down because it was thought that I would be too subjective in
analyzing
> them. I did send my dreams from the 60's to Calvin Hill at his
> invitation and after keeping them for months, he returned them
saying
> that they revealed that  I had problems with sex and money. I was a
bit
> disappointed with that since that was something I already know,
being a
> very horny 30 year-old guy just out of the army who was trying to
finish
> college on the miniscule GI Bill the government gave us then.
>
> You mention 'clients'. What does this mean? Are you a
psychotherapist now?
>
> Cheers,
> Patrick
Hola Patricio y el resto de la manada,
    Bananas! Have always loved them, but know very little about them,
other than plantains were for frying or baking, and the little ones
in Mexico (can't remember their name in Span.), were considered a
delicacy, but I never liked them that much.  It sounds like the
tropics are to bananas as the arctic is to variations of snow.
Another topic to investigate one of these days...bananas, i.e.
    After the final issue of Maguey, I took an extended sabatical from
writing in all its forms, but started a year-end letter about 20
years ago, and a series of travel journals (some of which have
burdened this list). Other than that, wrote Master's and Doctorate
thesis/dissertation that were quite lengthy.  Just completed a magnum
opus--over 600 pages--that I have yet to begin marketing.  Anyone out
there know of a trusty agent or publisher who might be interested in
a psycho-spiritual saga spanning forty years?
    I still work--part-time--as a psychotherapist. October, 2006 will
be my 30th anniversary and, synchronistically, my 50th HS reunion
too.
    Sex and money issues! How unusual! You must be one of the few
humans to have such a double malady. (<g>) Throw in relationship,
parenting, addiction, anger, and anxiety/depression issues, asundry
complexes, and you have the history of my practice...both
professional and personal.
    Saludos a todos, Jed

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Hola, Ricardo,

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depressants after 40+ years all in a relatively short period of time
sounds pretty stressful to me. It would be
pretty surprising if you weren't having a lot of feelings right now.

I am sorry that it didn't work out with your early girlfriend. It sounds
almost like you married on the rebound possibly because you suffered a
big wound to your feelings/ego at that time by not being able to marry her.

I don't know about anyone else, but your personal revelations don't
bother me. I have spoken pretty freely about my life too.

Cheers,
Patrick



ricardodeaqui wrote:

> Estimados Pyscologistas,
>
> Gee, I thought after being taking off anti-depressants by a VA doctor
> abruptly
> after 40+ years, and going through the worst depression and the
> highest(drug-
> free) elations in the last couple of months, and having my civilian
> doctor tell me
> that I was finally feeling things again and it was good. I agreed that
> yes, I was
> laughing out loud at stuff, crying at any tender or touching moments from
> seeing other people or stuff on tv, and also having some really
> suicidal type
> depressions, but that I think in the long run it was beneficial, since
> my creativity
> is returning a little, and I am feeling things much more intensely, as
> if I've been
> a zombie and unresponsive to my inner feelings for a long time. Of
> course I got
> to work every day on time, was verrrry regular in all my affairs and
> dealings,
> and never got excited about anything.  I do think my abrupt retirement
> was a
> result of the sudden withdrawal(which a professional said on Larry
> King about
> bipolar and depression, was a real no no, caused suicides, etc.). I
> really should
> have stayed working for at least another 6 months to clear up some
> debt. The
> fact that I feel more intensely now is a sign of a feminine trait, but
> I've always
> gotten along with women probably more easily than men, although I've
> never
> felt queer about it, and Jed, when I said "put our queer shoulders to
> the wheel"
> I was directly quoting Ginzberg, not outing myself. As far as the lady
> goes, she
> was married before to a good friend, and I was offered her hand and
> her kids
> by him when he was bailing out because he wanted to drink and
> carrouse, and
> she was a drag on him. I didn't respond since I was too young(22) at
> the time,
> and she also had a child with cerebral palsy, and I wasn't ready for the
> responsibility. Shortly thereafter she met and married some regular
> guy at
> work(she had to work since her husband dumped her), and we remained
> friends, but I never told her my secret love for her, although I'm
> sure she could
> sense it. Years later, my sister had asked her, "why didn't you marry
> Ricardo
> when xxx left you?" Her reply: "He never asked me."
> Well, around that time or shortly thereafter I went to Mexico, met my
> wife, and
> lived 33 1/3 years with her before she decided she preferred
> Mexicanos. I'm
> quite content now living alone, since I've never done so before,
> although I
> notice I've become more selfish and reclusive. The ex lives a block
> away, after
> being dumped by her querido, one of the kids live down the street,
> other kids
> are on the island, and eight grandkids make it hard to get any work
> done since
> I recently retired.  I get along with her for the kids' sake, but she
> has her life,
> and I have mine. I met the girl, a blonde when I was about 8 or 9 and
> she was
> 7 or 8, when we moved to her street in El Nido, four blocks of houses
> surrounded by strawberry, lilly, and bean fields, in what now is the
> south end of
> the South Bay Galleria in Redondo Beach. It was a wonderful childhood
> in the
> country, and my "work" is to complete a book about it before dying of
> old age. I
> have photos too, that help me to remember events and people who lived
> there.
> She was alway happy, friendly, beautiful, and optimistic, and I still
> love her, but
> as you mentioned maybe in a spiritual way since I'm sure she's still
> married.
> Who knows? Maybe I should call her. Thanks for the free analysis. I
> promise
> not to ask again, since I live on a limited income now. I'm realizing
> that this
> forum is quite public and I'm overdoing it with all this personal
> stuff. My plan is
> to stop contributing to anything on the net since it's easier than
> working, and
> takes up the same amount of time. Again, thanks for the insight. I'll
> try to dream
> of her again tonight. Ricardo
> p.s.  Jed, I have an old book on hypnotherapy. Do you want it? I've been
> meaning for years to send it to you, but keep forgetting.
>
>
>
>

Thanks, Jed:  Viewing this site is where having dual monitors comes in
handy.

--- En mexicocitycollege@..., "Jed Linde"
<jedlinde@a...> escribió:
> http://www.mayalords.org/aztecfldr/SunStone.pdf
>
> Listeros! you may find this of interest, a visual guide to the elements
> of the Aztec calendar stone... Saludos, Jed

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   The health benefits of bananas


     Not only do they taste great any place and any time, but the health
     benefits of bananas are of astounding!



A banana is the most unique of all fruit because unlike any fruit it
does not come from trees at all but from large plants that are giant
herbs and are related to lily and orchid family.

In order to have a healthy lifestyle, you have to meet your daily
requirement of five fruits and vegetables. Bananas are a perfect part of
your diet and they are the most popular fruit in America. Bananas are
available all year and they are a great source of instant energy whether
you are watching your diet or just trying to eat healthy. Like other
fruits and vegetables, bananas contain no fat, sodium or cholesterol. It
is a known fact that a low fat, balanced diet rich in vegetables and
fruit may reduce the risk of heart disease and certain types of cancer.

Bananas are rich in vitamin B6 and they are a good source of fiber,
vitamin C, magnesium and potassium. Lack of B6 in a diet can cause
weakness, irritability and insomnia. The potassium found in bananas
helps to regulate blood pressure and may reduce the risk of high blood
pressure and stroke. Potassium is also essential for helping muscles to
contract properly during exercise and reduces cramping up. A
medium-sized banana provides 400 mg of potassium -11% of daily value-
and contains 110 calories and 4 grams of fiber. Bananas also contain
plenty of carbohydrates which are the body's main source of energy. They
are also easy to digest.

Because of their great taste, they can also serve as a substitute for
sweets and satisfy sugar cravings.

Researche also shows that serotonin and norepinephrine in bananas may
naturally help sufferers overcome depression. They are the good mood food.

Convenience and nutritional value of bananas make them a good
post-exercise snack. During long exercises your body loses vitamins and
minerals and a banana replaces these nutrients as well as giving you the
energy you need.

Bananas are good for babies, too. They are in fact often the first solid
food given to infants. Bananas are easy to digest because they have no
fat and very few babies are allergic to bananas. They are also one of
children's favorite snack because of their taste and they meet the
energy needs of the growing children.

Green tipped bananas should be selected for cooking or ripening, yellow
ones should be selected for eating and brown-specked ones should be
selected for baking breads, muffins and cookies. As the bananas ripen,
they will taste sweeter because the starch in the fruit will turn to
sugar. You can toss bananas to your cereals, salads, yogurt, salsa,
smoothie or shakes.

You should store your bananas over the counter at room temperature until
they reach the ripeness you want, then you can store them in the
refrigerator. The peel of the fruit will darken in the refrigerator but
the banana inside will remain firm and delicious. To ripen a banana
faster, it should be put in a brown paper bag with an apple or tomato
overnight.



   Bananas are one of nature's most nutritious
fruits because they are rich in vitamin B6,
vitamin C, potassium and fiber.


When it comes to eating for health, weight control
or sports training, bananas have no equal because:

Bananas have no fat, cholesterol or sodium.
A medium-sized banana has 110 calories.
Vitamin B6 helps the body burn protein and fat.
Bananas are sodium-free and help reduce high blood pressure.
Eating lots of fruits and vegetables may reduce the risk of cancer.
Bananas have more digestible carbohydrates than any other fruit and
carbohydrates help burn calories quicker and easier than either protein
or fat.
Bananas are one of the foods lowest in allergens and have no fat, making
them ideal for babies.
A banana's natural packaging (the skin) makes it one of the cleanest
fruits to eat. Once peeled, there is no need to clean off fertilizers or
pesticides.

you forgot to mention that bananas are extremely high in sugar content - most
new age nutritionists put banananas and watermelon on a no no - because of high
sugar.

Thank you for your comment. After reading it, I did a little research on
the Internet and came up with this for what it is worth:


looksmart
findarticles

FindArticles </> > Nutrition Forum </p/articles/mi_m0GCU> > July-August,
1998 </p/articles/mi_m0GCU/is_n4_v15> > Article
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*Sugar Busters … Busted! - book reviews*

Beth Fontenot

Sugar Busters ... Busted! Beth Fontenot Sugar Busters! Cut Sugar to Trim
Fat by H. Leighton Steward, Morrison C. Bethea, MD, Sam S. Andrews, MD,
and Luis A. Balfart, MD (New York: Ballantine Books, 1998), 268 pp.,
$22.00, ISBN 0-345-42558-8, hardcover.

Three physicians and a business executive have come up with the newest
version of the "carbohydrates-are-bad-for-you" diet and have written a
book that is selling like hotcakes (oops...those aren't allowed on the
diet). The main idea behind this so-called Sugar Busters diet is that
sugar is "toxic" and that certain foods like bread, rice, potatoes, and
bananas are bad for you because they have a high glycemic index. The
glycemic index is a way of classifying foods based on how much they
raise your blood sugar when you eat them. When your blood sugar rises,
the body produces insulin, a hormone that lowers blood sugar. The
creators of this diet claim that insulin is the "bad guy" because when
you eat from their list of forbidden foods (foods with a high glycemic
index), insulin will cause sugar to be stored as fat.

While there may be a grain of truth to the authors' theory, they have
exaggerated it, insisting in effect that eating a baked potato is like
eating a potato skin filled with sugar. Yes, carbohydrates are broken
down to sugar by the body. Yes, insulin does promote fat storage, but
only when more carbohydrate is eaten than the body can use. The authors
slam foods such as bananas, raisins, carrots, beets, corn, and any food
made with refined sugar or flour, and they okay eating foods like
butter, bacon, eggs, and sausage. They say that fruit eaten in
combination with other foods is harmful because it overstimulates
insulin secretion, which, they say, will make you fat.

The truth is that weight gain occurs when foods are eaten in excess and
not because of eating "wrong" foods, "bad" foods, or wrong combinations
of food. Carbohydrates can be stored as fat, but only if they are eaten
in excess. Anything you eat in excess of what your body needs is stored
as fat. Carbohydrates are no more fattening than any other foods. In
fact, excess carbohydrate in the diet is less efficient at producing
body fat than excess fat in the diet.

Insulin is not a "bad guy." It is needed to move sugar from your
bloodstream into the cells of your body where it is used to fuel all of
your activities. As for losing weight, what matters is calories--not
carbohydrates and insulin.

You'll probably lose a few pounds if you follow the Sugar Busters diet.
But what you are losing is body water or muscle mass from depriving
yourself of carbohydrates. When you restrict your intake of
carbohydrates, your body loses its stored sugar (glycogen) along with
the water in the stores. This causes a rapid weight loss when you first
begin the diet. If carbohydrates are restricted too severely, your body
makes another fuel source for itself--ketones. The excretion of excess
ketones also causes water loss. In addition, if adequate sugar is not
available to your body, your muscle mass is broken down to get to amino
acids that can be converted to sugar. This again results in the loss of
water stored in body proteins and of muscle mass.

The Sugar Busters diet ridicules established eating guidelines promoted
by the American Dietetic Association, the American Heart Association,
and other health organizations. An analysis of the suggested meal plan
in the book using usual portion sizes shows that anywhere from 40 to 50%
of the calories come from fat, and much of that is saturated fat. This
exceeds the AHA's recommendation that less than 30% of calories should
come from fat with very limited amounts of saturated fat. The authors'
suggestion to limit certain grain foods, fruits, and vegetables
contradicts the guidelines of the USDA's Food Guide Pyramid.

A joint report issued last year by the Food and Agriculture Organization
(FAO) and the World Health Organization (WHO) emphasized the importance
of carbohydrates in the diet and stated that a high intake of
carbohydrates can reduce the risk of obesity and protect against other
nutrition-related diseases. The report also declared that there is no
evidence that sugars and starches promote obesity.

In short, the book is filled with inaccurate nutrition information, and
the authors' claims (and success stories) are not supported by
scientific data. The whole idea of the glycemic index is controversial
at best. The Sugar Busters diet is nothing new. It's just a recycled
version of the same old low-carbohydrate diet that's been around for
years. If it really worked, would it have to be repackaged, renamed, and
resold every few years?

COPYRIGHT 1998 Prometheus Books, Inc.
COPYRIGHT 2000 Gale Group


anamo wrote:

> you forgot to mention that bananas are extremely high in sugar content
> - most new age nutritionists put banananas and watermelon on a no no -
> because of high sugar.
>
>
>

I'll take my daily hit of pure chocolate any day!

--- En mexicocitycollege@..., Patrick Gallagher
<tasaniya@j...> escribió:
> Thank you for your comment. After reading it, I did a little
research on
> the Internet and came up with this for what it is worth:
>
>

hi patrick - I must say - you "give good research"
One of the anti ageing doctors I subscribe to on the net  - either Dr Lam or Dr
Mercola put out the word on those two fruits. I eat my dark chocolate also.
the other thing I wanted to talk to you about is Thailand. I am presently
married to a Thai for the past 8 years (she does Thai Traditional Massage and
has a practice here in Miami)  and before that I was married to another Thai for
7 years. I went over to Bangkok in the late 80's and taught English as a
secondary lang at various schools in Bangkok. Then for a year my first Thai wife
& I lived in ChiangMai.
Last year my present wife(Karuna)visited Thailand for  2 months. In a few weeks
we are taking a quick 6 day trip to Rosarito,Mx having a large american colony 
near San Diego) to check it out for possibly relocating there. I heard about it
on  "Sunday Morning" the CBS magazine show and it looked enticing. Hopefully,
the best of both worlds - only 35 miles from SanDiego.
best wishes
Les Tobin

I hear the latest on that is that it has to be bitter chocolate because
otherwise the good stuff - the flavonoids, I think they are called -
have been taken out.

Patrick

quinnjm wrote:

> I'll take my daily hit of pure chocolate any day!
>
> --- En mexicocitycollege@..., Patrick Gallagher
> <tasaniya@j...> escribió:
> > Thank you for your comment. After reading it, I did a little
> research on
> > the Internet and came up with this for what it is worth:
> >
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--- En mexicocitycollege@..., Patrick Gallagher <
tasaniya@j...> escribió:
> I hear the latest on that is that it has to be bitter chocolate because
> otherwise the good stuff - the flavonoids, I think they are called -
> have been taken out.
>
> Patrick
>
> quinnjm wrote:
>
> > I'll take my daily hit of pure chocolate any day!
> >
Me too, Quinn,
Ah, Champurrado con atole de maiz azul, prepackaged with honey , cinnamon,
vanilla, and chocolate beans(currently being grown in Kona) without the
aphrodesiac qualities removed, would be a hot item on the gourmet circuit.
Also an article read a few years ago in the Christian Science Monitor, no less,
talked about chile junkies, saying in effect that the pain of the chile sends in
the
endorphins, and that's while even though you're sweating, you're smiling.

I just added some more photos, this time from West Hawai, and will add some
later to Ricardo'sPicsi. How about some fotos from fellow miembros y
miembras ?
Aloha, Ricardo

Hola,

For anyone interested in knowing why there are so few psychiatrists in
Thailand (300), this article which was headline news in the Bangkok Post
today, will give you at least part of the answer. It doesn't mention
that most people go to Buddhist monks when they have a problem:


Graduates still shun psychiatry More mental illness, but funds, staff
scarce <http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/22Aug2005_news03.php>
*Bangkok Post* Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:29 AM PDT
Thailand is facing a severe shortage of psychiatrists despite the
government's efforts to entice medical students to enter the field to
cope with the increasing number of patients with mental problems.

MARS SPECTACULAR!

The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! Earth is catching up with
Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the closest approach
between the two planets in recorded history. The next time Mars may
come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be certain that
Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last 5,000 years, but it
may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens again.

The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to within
34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the
brightest object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9
and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide.

At a modest 75-power magnification, Mars will look as large as the
full moon to the naked eye. Mars will be easy to spot. At the
beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m. and reach its
azimuth at about 3 a.m.

By the end of August when the two planets are closest, Mars will rise
at nightfall and reach its highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m.
That's pretty convenient to see something that no human being has
seen in recorded history.. So, mark your calendar at the beginning of
August to see Mars grow progressively brighter and brighter
throughout the month.


Share this with your children and grandchildren. NO ONE ALIVE TODAY
WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN

The SF Chron's "Tasters Choice" recently tested moles and found one
excellent:  Rogelio Bueno Autentico Mole, 8+ oz, packaged in an old
fashioned usable drinking glass available in the Mission District
grocers for $2.29 and in the San Mateo upscale grocers for $2 more.  I
mention this because I have not had as good mole since leaving MCC in
the late 40's when my landlady spent seemingly days cooking up the
mixture.

I am enjoying the rush of August interesting observations, thanks to
you all.  Robert Jones of Berkeley

Hi, Les,

My father and mother lived in Rosarita Beach for a number of years
(1974-81, I think it was) and they liked it there, but my mother felt
rather isolated, so they finally decided to move back to the US. I
imagine that there are more people living there now, so the situation
has probably changed.

  I also have a sad story to relate about that. The land that they lived
on was in my first wife's name (my ex-wife by then) because only
Mexicans could own land within 60 miles or so from the coast. (I am not
sure if that law still exists.) Anyway, in 1981 my father decided to
sell the land which was jointly unofficially owned by all four of us,
and after getting my permission and my ex-wife's permission, he made a
deal with someone to buy it for about 100,000 US (it was a fairly good
size piece of land overlooking the ocean with an unusual white
fiber-glass house on it). And then when he went to pick up the money in
Tijuana, he found that my ex-wife had sent someone up to collect all the
money the previous day and had fled to Brazil. He was pretty upset about
this to put it mildly - he was going to use the money to buy this place
for him and my mother in Green Valley, Arizona) and when he went  to see
a lawyer in Tijuana, he was basically told that he had been well and
truly screwed. My younger brother was driving him back to Green Valley
from that meeting when he had a stroke. His last words were: "I don't
need a doctor. I need a good lawyer." He died the next day in Tucson. He
was 78 years old. No one has heard from my ex-wife since - may her soul
roast in hell.

Thanks for telling me about your stay in Thailand. Chiang Mai got pretty
badly flooded out last week. Several people died and a lot of businesses
that cater to tourists (the Night Bazaar for example) were seriously
damaged. The culprit, besides the rain, seems to be deforestation by
encroachers in national forests around there. The prime minister is
vowing to bring these encroachers to justice, but some of us have our
doubts since they seem to be mostly influential people living in that
area and not hilltribesmen since hundreds of thousands of rai are
involved and hilltribesmen usually only engage in subsistence farming.

Anyway, when were you at Mexico City College? Your name sounds familiar.
Did you use to write letters to the Bangkok Post?

Cheers,
Patrick



anamo wrote:

> hi patrick - I must say - you "give good research"
> One of the anti ageing doctors I subscribe to on the net  - either Dr
> Lam or Dr Mercola put out the word on those two fruits. I eat my dark
> chocolate also.
> the other thing I wanted to talk to you about is Thailand. I am
> presently married to a Thai for the past 8 years (she does Thai
> Traditional Massage and has a practice here in Miami)  and before that
> I was married to another Thai for 7 years. I went over to Bangkok in
> the late 80's and taught English as a secondary lang at various
> schools in Bangkok. Then for a year my first Thai wife & I lived in
> ChiangMai.
> Last year my present wife(Karuna)visited Thailand for  2 months. In a
> few weeks we are taking a quick 6 day trip to Rosarito,Mx having a
> large american colony  near San Diego) to check it out for possibly
> relocating there. I heard about it on  "Sunday Morning" the CBS
> magazine show and it looked enticing. Hopefully, the best of both
> worlds - only 35 miles from SanDiego.
> best wishes
> Les Tobin
>
>
>
>

--- En mexicocitycollege@..., caper735 <no_reply@y...>
escribió:

Like the full moon on a dark and stormy night, the heat of August
always brings out a "rush" of man's creativity (and sometimes dark
side: The Guns of August).


>
> I am enjoying the rush of August interesting observations, thanks to
> you all.  Robert Jones of Berkeley

--- En mexicocitycollege@..., Patrick Gallagher
<tasaniya@j...> escribió:
> Hi, Les,
>

>
>  I also have a sad story to relate about that. The land that they lived
> on was in my first wife's name (my ex-wife by then) because only


My personal experience ref Rosarita Beach (I grew up in Long Beach,
CA) was a happy one, long to be remembered:  A senorita stole my
cherry there, in Rosarita Beach, 1948.  And yes, it was an August evening.

hello again Patrick. well, that was a real sad story. could be a good movie.
I was in d.f. from 1955-57. I have an interesting story too where i got totally
screwed by Clases De Ingles( where I taught) for elena picazo murray - that
radically changed my life. tell you about it later on. I was friends with Mike
Siemanowski and Harry Cosgrove.
In the late 80's I did insert personal ads in the Nation, not the bkk post
seeking "an aware conscious woman" I had over a hundred replies from all over
thailand but the one that clicked was from one of the proofreaders who I later
married and we came back to Miami in 90 and opened an "underground" Thai
restaurant ( no license) we rented a nice house in Coconut Grove and it was all
word of mouth - that worked for a few years. we started a Thai Club where we put
out a magazine with Thai women looking for American husbands
and every once in a  while we brought over a group to Thailand for about a week
arranged a big dinner, and sightseeing and 50 or more thai women attended and
there were a number of marriages.
I was on the Oprah Winfrey show once telling about it. Then after 7 years of
marriage my wife ran off with one of our clients and I presume are living
happily ever after in South Miami. I was pretty devastated and needy so I
returned to Bangkok and I was staying at the Grand President (Soi 11) where a
millionaire ex client from Colo was and he introduced me to the health club
attendant and in- house masseuse - I brought her over on a fiance visa and we've
been together about 8 years.
Her family lives in Rayong. She's a multi millionaire in Thai baht as she makes
out well giving Thai massage here in our condo.
I have been attracted to Asian women ever since I went to Japan in Dec 1945 as a
purser on a merchant ship. Japanese women are my preference.
I later returned to japan in the 80's on some business and fell in love with a
beautiful woman who had her own architectural rendering company, was a  brown
rice vegetarian - but alas she was married but wanted to have an adventure and
came to visit me twice in Santa Cruz where I lived.
There's actually 4 more wives I could talk about.... another time.
Les

Here is the last article on chocolates I read. It was forwarded to me
by Sam:

*The health potential is real. Cocoa beans have antioxidant compounds
called flavanols, and a growing pile of scientific research suggests
they do good things to blood vessels.*

*Dolly Sullivan, 60, is a believer. She eats two or three squares of
Dove dark chocolate daily and talked her mother into switching from
coffee to cocoa.*

*"I'm a chocoholic. I can't walk by a chocolate store," said Sullivan,
who lives in Warwick, R.I. "I've always enjoyed chocolate, but now I
have a reason to eat it."*

*Customers at Neuhaus, a Belgian chocolate shop in Washington's Union
Station, like thinking the dark stuff might be healthy, said manager
Clementine Loeman.*

*"That way, they don't feel guilty," Loeman said, adding that chocolate
was sometimes considered medicinal when the company began as a pharmacy
148 years ago.*

*Despite the enthusiasm, flavanols are missing from much of the
chocolate on store shelves today. Flavanols make chocolate and cocoa
taste bitter, and confectioners have spent years trying to perfect ways
to remove the pungent flavor.*

*"Most chocolate, in fact, isn't flavanol-rich," said Norm Hollenberg, a
radiology professor and flavanol expert at Harvard Medical School. "But
all chocolate is rich in fat and calories. Chocolate is a delight. It
can and should be part of a prudent diet. That means you limit what you
take."*

*Flavanols are found in other foods, such as red wine, grapes, apples
and green tea, although cocoa beans are a particularly rich source.*

*They are so tiny, they cannot be seen, even under a microscope. To find
them, it takes sophisticated machinery that seems more appropriate for
NASA than a chocolate company's laboratories.*

*Mars Inc. developed the technology to visualize flavanols on a computer
screen. Says Harold Schmitz, the company's chief science officer: "Now
we understand cocoa well enough to start to do new things with it."*

*The company is starting with CocoaVia granola bars, made with a special
cocoa powder that retains most of the flavanols. The bars also have
plant sterols, which have been shown to help lower cholesterol.*

*For now, the 80-calorie, 23-gram snack bars are sold only on the
Internet. The bars have a satisfyingly rich chocolate flavor, along with
a slight but distinct bitter taste.*

*Mars says its Dove dark chocolates - a 1.3 ounce (36.85 grams) bar is
200 calories - also contain flavanols.*

*Researchers are excited by the potential of flavanols to ward off
vascular disease, which can cause heart attacks, strokes, diabetes,
dementia and hypertension. Vascular diseases are linked to the artery's
inability to make a simple but fundamental chemical called nitric oxide.
Flavanols appear to reverse that problem.*

*"The pharmaceutical industry has spent tens, probably hundreds of
millions of dollars in search of a chemical that would reverse that
abnormality," Hollenberg said. "And God gave us flavanol-rich cocoa,
which does that. So the excitement is real."*

*Hollenberg studied Central America's Kuna Indians, island dwellers near
Panama who make their own locally grown, flavanol-rich cocoa.*

*The Kuna drink a lot of cocoa, and they don't have high blood pressure
- except for those who move to the mainland and start drinking
commercial cocoa that's flavanol-poor.*

*Testing the link between flavanols and improved blood flow, Hollenberg
fed cocoa with and without flavanols to a study group in the United
States and discovered that flavanols seemed to improve blood flow
throughout the body.*

*Another researcher, nutrition professor Carl Keen at the University of
California, Davis, has found that flavanols had an aspirin-like effect
on blood, among other findings.*

*Mars contributed to Hollenberg's and Keen's research and countless
other projects. The company has collaborated on more than 80 studies.*

*The company announced last month that its scientists have figured out
how to make synthetic flavanols and that major pharmaceutical companies
are interested in developing the compounds for prescription drugs.*

*08/18/05 16:35 EDT*

*/Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. The information contained in the
AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise
distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.
All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL./
*

we happen to be flying in to Long Beach via Jet Blue and then greyhound to
SanDiego & then I understand one can catch a trolley to Tijuana and then a bus
to Rosarito - it ends with an o

--- En mexicocitycollege@..., "anamo " <anamo@w...>
escribió:
> we happen to be flying in to Long Beach via Jet Blue and then greyhound to
SanDiego & then I understand one can catch a trolley to Tijuana and then a
bus to Rosarito - it ends with an o

Rosarito Beach used to be an illegal gambling mecca many years ago, but
more recently it was the site for the filming of "Titanic", or at least where
the
cast stayed. I think they took over the area for awhile so it must now be more
popular than ever. When you get a chance, go down to Santo Tomas, south of
Ensenada, where there's a peninsula. On the south side there's the famous
blowhole called La Bufadora, and fishing camps. Also a pretty good wine, for
Mexico a rarity, is made there. On the north side of the peninsula there are
abalone and ancient rocks that have little shells and bones imbedded. I
haven't been there since the middle '60s, but anyplace south of TJ is
interesting, even TJ, but a different kind of interestilng. The farmer's market
in
TJ used to sell abalone and filet mignon very cheap, along with lots of fruit
and vegetables. The black sand beach on the south side of the peninsula is
where I shot the "Child of the Sun", taken with my ex-wife's Mexican brown
foot and my two whitey feet, the sand looking like the cosmos with the silica
looking like stars. You can see it in the fotos section in an earlier album.
Good luck on your journey. Ricardo

--- En mexicocitycollege@..., "ricardodeaqui"
<ricardodeaqui@y...> escribió:
> Estimados Pyscologistas,
>
> Gee, I thought after being taking off anti-depressants by a VA
doctor abruptly
> after 40+ years, and going through the worst depression and the
highest(drug-
> free) elations in the last couple of months, and having my civilian
doctor tell me
> that I was finally feeling things again and it was good. I agreed
that yes, I was
> laughing out loud at stuff, crying at any tender or touching
moments from
> seeing other people or stuff on tv, and also having some really
suicidal type
> depressions, but that I think in the long run it was beneficial,
since my creativity
> is returning a little, and I am feeling things much more intensely,
as if I've been
> a zombie and unresponsive to my inner feelings for a long time. Of
course I got
> to work every day on time, was verrrry regular in all my affairs
and dealings,
> and never got excited about anything.  I do think my abrupt
retirement was a
> result of the sudden withdrawal(which a professional said on Larry
King about
> bipolar and depression, was a real no no, caused suicides, etc.). I
really should
> have stayed working for at least another 6 months to clear up some
debt. The
> fact that I feel more intensely now is a sign of a feminine trait,
but I've always
> gotten along with women probably more easily than men, although
I've never
> felt queer about it, and Jed, when I said "put our queer shoulders
to the wheel"
> I was directly quoting Ginzberg, not outing myself. As far as the
lady goes, she
> was married before to a good friend, and I was offered her hand and
her kids
> by him when he was bailing out because he wanted to drink and
carrouse, and
> she was a drag on him. I didn't respond since I was too young(22)
at the time,
> and she also had a child with cerebral palsy, and I wasn't ready
for the
> responsibility. Shortly thereafter she met and married some regular
guy at
> work(she had to work since her husband dumped her), and we remained
> friends, but I never told her my secret love for her, although I'm
sure she could
> sense it. Years later, my sister had asked her, "why didn't you
marry Ricardo
> when xxx left you?" Her reply: "He never asked me."
> Well, around that time or shortly thereafter I went to Mexico, met
my wife, and
> lived 33 1/3 years with her before she decided she preferred
Mexicanos. I'm
> quite content now living alone, since I've never done so before,
although I
> notice I've become more selfish and reclusive. The ex lives a block
away, after
> being dumped by her querido, one of the kids live down the street,
other kids
> are on the island, and eight grandkids make it hard to get any work
done since
> I recently retired.  I get along with her for the kids' sake, but
she has her life,
> and I have mine. I met the girl, a blonde when I was about 8 or 9
and she was
> 7 or 8, when we moved to her street in El Nido, four blocks of
houses
> surrounded by strawberry, lilly, and bean fields, in what now is
the south end of
> the South Bay Galleria in Redondo Beach. It was a wonderful
childhood in the
> country, and my "work" is to complete a book about it before dying
of old age. I
> have photos too, that help me to remember events and people who
lived there.
> She was alway happy, friendly, beautiful, and optimistic, and I
still love her, but
> as you mentioned maybe in a spiritual way since I'm sure she's
still married.
> Who knows? Maybe I should call her. Thanks for the free analysis. I
promise
> not to ask again, since I live on a limited income now. I'm
realizing that this
> forum is quite public and I'm overdoing it with all this personal
stuff. My plan is
> to stop contributing to anything on the net since it's easier than
working, and
> takes up the same amount of time. Again, thanks for the insight.
I'll try to dream
> of her again tonight. Ricardo
> p.s.  Jed, I have an old book on hypnotherapy. Do you want it? I've
been
> meaning for years to send it to you, but keep forgetting.

Hola Amigos y Sonadores,
    Posts galore! How cool!
    This one above, though, left me scratching mi cabeza calva. It
seemed to confirm what Patrick and I had offered as possible dream
interpretations, yet there were other comments that made me wonder if
what we said was misunderstood...???
This dream was, to me, a very positive dream; i.e., whenever we move
to reconciling with "shadow" (parts of ourselves left out of
conscious contact) figures, it is an EXTREMELY healthy move on our
parts!
Uniting with the feminine side of our (male) selves, is central to
becoming (realizing) our individuation and Self, and has nothing to
do with sexual orientation, which Ricardo knows only too well, so why
the fake basura re Ginsberg's poem, which we all know only too
well?
Hell, I've been putting my queer shoulder to the wheel my whole life
and I'm boringly straight...(belly laughs are copacetic at this
junction)...
And, to quote Suzuki Roshi, "What we need are more cooks, not more
cookbooks!"
Speaking of that, the food trip has been fascinating...the
nutritional value of chocolate bananas blended with losing one's
cherry...Jung is loving every member of this grupo! So is Sigmund!
Seriously, I really appreciated Robert Jones' brief post re Rogelio
Bueno's mole, as it made me wonder what my dear Mexican wife, Maria,
has been using all these decades in the far reaches of Gringolandia,
because it sure has tasted every bit as good as what we had in good
ole Mejico! Not wanting to make too many waves, I sneaked into the
cocina and checked in the pantry, because I had never seen a brand
name on the bottles, they all appeared generic, with bold letters
saying: MOLE, or ADOBO, or PIPPIAN...
Right above the bold letters was in small print: Rogelio Bueno.
BTW we buy them in the local supermarket, Nob Hill/Ralph's and got it
at Safeway before that...
Amor, pesetas, y tiempo para disfrutarlos, Jed

I remember Santa Tomas well.  While stationed at the Mira Msr Naval
Air Station (north of San Diego) early 50s, I spent many a weekends in
Santo Tomas, camping out, and hunting quail with a 12-guage.  After
leaving Ensenada, you pass thru an immigration check point.  I became
buddies with the two officers there, bringing them state-side goodies
and allowing them to shoot my 12-guage (illegal, I know).  One was
named Reyes Reyes, and on my last trip to Santo Tomnas, I gave him the
12-guage as a gift. I lost track of him.  I last heard he was
transfered to Los Moches on the mainland. Life's journey has its way
station of brief memories.

Quinn


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> escribió:
> > we happen to be flying in to Long Beach via Jet Blue and then
greyhound to
> Ricardo

It sounds like you have a lot of experience with the ladies, Les. After
all the drama I lived through in Mexico with my first wife when I came
to Thailand I was looking for an educated, good humored, emotionally
relaxed and well-grounded woman and I was lucky to find such a
person and my second marriage has lasted 25 years. We have the
occasional shouting match, usually when we are stressed about
something, but for the most part we have gotten along remarkably well.
And I haven't always been an easy person to live with. For example, I
drank a lot for the first fifteen years of our marriage. I consider myself
very lucky that she put up with that and let me work my way out of it
with a minimum of nagging..

I'd like to hear about your experience with elena picazo murray. In 1964
I taught for a few months at a school called the Gregg Business School
which was located in one of the buildings facing the presidential palace
in the Zocalo. The woman running the school did me out of the
pittance she was paying me and that hastened my return to the US. That
was the last time that I ever taught in any private business schools.

Patrick





anamo wrote:

> hello again Patrick. well, that was a real sad story. could be a good
> movie.
> I was in d.f. from 1955-57. I have an interesting story too where i
> got totally screwed by Clases De Ingles( where I taught) for elena
> picazo murray - that radically changed my life. tell you about it
> later on. I was friends with Mike Siemanowski and Harry Cosgrove.


> In the late 80's I did insert personal ads in the Nation, not the bkk
> post seeking "an aware conscious woman" I had over a hundred replies
> from all over thailand but the one that clicked was from one of the
> proofreaders who I later married and we came back to Miami in 90 and
> opened an "underground" Thai restaurant ( no license) we rented a nice
> house in Coconut Grove and it was all word of mouth - that worked for
> a few years. we started a Thai Club where we put out a magazine with
> Thai women looking for American husbands
> and every once in a  while we brought over a group to Thailand for
> about a week arranged a big dinner, and sightseeing and 50 or more
> thai women attended and there were a number of marriages.
> I was on the Oprah Winfrey show once telling about it. Then after 7
> years of marriage my wife ran off with one of our clients and I
> presume are living happily ever after in South Miami. I was pretty
> devastated and needy so I returned to Bangkok and I was staying at the
> Grand President (Soi 11) where a millionaire ex client from Colo was
> and he introduced me to the health club attendant and in- house
> masseuse - I brought her over on a fiance visa and we've been together
> about 8 years.
> Her family lives in Rayong. She's a multi millionaire in Thai baht as
> she makes out well giving Thai massage here in our condo.
> I have been attracted to Asian women ever since I went to Japan in Dec
> 1945 as a purser on a merchant ship. Japanese women are my preference.
> I later returned to japan in the 80's on some business and fell in
> love with a beautiful woman who had her own architectural rendering
> company, was a  brown rice vegetarian - but alas she was married but
> wanted to have an adventure and came to visit me twice in Santa Cruz
> where I lived.
> There's actually 4 more wives I could talk about.... another time.
> Les
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Dreaming in blue and red



Even in dreams, there's a red state-blue state divide, says Kelly
Bulkeley, a dream researcher who teaches at the Graduate Theological
Union in Berkeley.

He has studied how self-described liberals and conservatives dream for
about 13 years.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, they go about it differently.

"There is a liberal personality type, or a conservative personality
type, that plays out in dreaming as well as waking," says Bulkeley, who
recently presented a paper on his findings at the International
Association for the Study of Dreams annual conference in California.

Conservatives sleep more soundly than liberals, and they have fewer
dreams. In addition, the dreams of liberals are more "bizarre."

What does this mean? It depends upon whom you ask.

The "blue state" interpretation, Bulkeley says, is that liberals "have a
more ... open-minded and imaginative approach to the world.
Conservatives are less imaginative and open-minded, and their dreams are
narrower, less varied and less intense."

The red-state take?

"Conservatives are more anchored, more realistic in their approach to
the world," says Bulkeley. "Liberals could be seen as fanciful, their
heads in the clouds, unrealistic, out of touch."

"I've had people read the findings in these two different ways," he says.

Bulkeley also found that before 2000 - during the Clinton administration
- conservatives suffered from significantly more nightmares than
liberals. Once George W. Bush became president, however, the rate of
nightmares among liberals

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has risen, while among conservatives the rate has dropped.

During his most recent study, conducted during the 2004 election, one
liberal woman's nightmare had her watching television news on election
night, with the announcer declaring victory for Bush. He then pointed at
the woman and said, "You're at fault!"

Liberal women in general, he says, remember more of their dreams, have
the poorest-quality sleeps - and report dreams about homosexuality at a
higher rate than anybody else.

On the other end of the spectrum are conservative men: They have the
toughest time remembering anything about their dreams, they enjoy the
soundest sleeps - and dreams about homosexuality just don't happen, they
report.

All of this matters, Bulkeley says, because it helps buttress the idea
that "dreaming reflects our engagement with the communal world."

"A lot of researchers and people in the public think that's still an
open question," he says. "Dreams are random, they are nonsense, they
have no connection to anything. I don't think so, and I think we have
good evidence to support the contrary."

OK, jovenes.
Where are the 12 fotos nuevas??
jackspratdt (A.Nalle)